Luther said what?

Posted: June 15, 2011 in apostasy, quotes
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 Name the famous Christian who said these things…

“What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honour of God and of Christianity, in order that God may see that we are true Christians. Secondly, their homes should be likewise broken down and destroyed. Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayerbooks and talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught. Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threats of death to teach anymore.”

“If I find a Jew to baptize, I shall lead him to the Elbe bridge, hang a stone around his neck, and push him into the water, baptizing him with the name of Avraham!.. I cannot convert the Jews. Our lord Christ did not succeed in doing so; but I can close their mouths so that there will be nothing for them to do but to lie upon the ground.”

editted: will let comments stand on their own

  1. fleebabylon says:

    How come my reformed friends are always railing (often times greatly exagerating the claims) against Charles Finney but they will quote Martin Luther in favorable terms. I am in no way defending the doctrines of Charles Finney, I just want to prove a point. A day before I came across these Luther quotes, I came across this Finney quote too that I quite enjoyed.

    “Lastly–are not the Church in their present state, a standing, public, perpetual denial of the gospel? Do they not stand out before the world, as a living, unanswerable contradiction of the gospel; and do more to harden sinners and lead them into a spirit of caviling and infidelity, than all the efforts of professed infidels from the beginning of the world to the present day?”

    I think I would invite Finney to my house over Luther. I could probably at least talk to him about sound doctrine without him accusing me of being a dirty jew and threatening to kill me.

  2. John Arnst says:

    I agree…most Reformed historians are pretty bad about glossing over the sins of Protestant heroes. Most of their biographical work tends toward hagiography.

    I argue the impetus behind Luther’s rant is really his Constantinian concerns. If he held to a Biblical Social Pluralism he wouldn’t care about having Jews, Muslims or anyone else for neighbours.

    Sadly though if you reject modern Dispensationalism’s doctrine concerning the Jews, more often than not these types of passages are trotted out and pinned on you.

    We should condemn Luther….for many reasons, but at the same time…we may disagree here, I don’t know….I can also reject a theology that posits the Old Covenant People are still the primary instrument in God’s plan and that we will revert to Old Covenant forms at a future date.

    Praise God for the Jews. They were the people who possessed the oracles of God and brought us the Messiah. But now, they need to become true Israelites and embrace the Gospel.


    • fleebabylon says:

      John, I do not disagree with you, much. The jews are cut off for sure. Yet I believe God is 100% sovereign over every nation including Isreal. He is soveriegn over them, as He is all things, and I hope I read scripture correct that He has declared that many jews come to a saving faith in Christ at the end. So yeah, I agree jews are cut off and never will be saved apart from faith in Christ (and never were in the OT either). At the same time I believe God has revealed part of His sovereign plan for them in His word.

      To put it another way. In the great awakening, God had decreed to bring in a harvest from the settelers in New England, it could be said that God had a special plan for the people of New England of that time. I think that same thought stands true for Isreal in the last days. Look forward to hearing back from you, Im not strongly sold on any position here, other then that the jews are currently cut off.

      ” But now, they need to become true Israelites and embrace the Gospel.” Amen

  3. John Arnst says:

    I agree mostly with what you said as well. They’re cut off covenantally speaking and their place and purpose is to enter the church.

    As far as the nation…sure, on one level God is in control of everything…so 1948 was part of His providential plan for the world.

    But so was Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union etc….

    So we have to be careful in interpreting history. We don’t have the full perspective. As with most things there’s some good and bad. New England is a perfect case in point. What started out good…1620, took a bad turn in 1630, did much good in some senses but in many other ways was a disaster and the legacy of Puritan New England is very apparent today in both the Christian Right and the present cultural state of New England.

    With regard to Israel in prophecy…it’s all how we read the Bible. I think the NT teaches us how to read the Old and we find that many today are still using the same mistaken non-Christocentric Jewish lens to read both the Old and subsequently the New. Starting with the New, we find that the land promise was about Jesus Christ and has been fulfilled. We can’t go back to that any more than we can sacrifices or circumcision. The argument for Jewish Restoration in the land is the exact same theological-covenantal issue Paul was condemning in Galatians…a return to the law.

    [Editted by Jim, totally not the place for this brother]

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