Who rules over you?

Posted: March 5, 2012 in christian living, ecclesia
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Hebrews 13:7

Remember them which have the oversight of you which have declared vnto you the worde of god. The ende of whose conversacion se that ye looke vpon and folowe their fayth -Tyndale

Have ye mind of your sovereigns, that have spoken to you the word of God; of whom behold ye the going out of living, and follow ye the faith of them -Wycliff

Be mindful of those leading you, who did speak to you the word of God, whose faith–considering the issue of the behaviour–be imitating -Youngs

Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. -ESV

Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. -KJV

We just finished reading Hebrews in our family time.   Many clergy will attempt to use this verse to control Gods people, when in reality this verse speaks out against those very clergy.  Consider the different translations above and then look at the verse in context.

Hebrews 13:7-9  Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.

We must remember what the apostles and early church elders taught (v13:7) and how they lived because Christ and His gospel do not change though men always try to change it. (v13:8) Beware of those who seek to lead you away with their strange new teachings including denominations, clergy-laity, religous titles, tithing, popish submission, pre-programmed services, etc (v13:9).   We must obey those that have the rule over us (to use the questionable language of old king james), namely Christ and the apostles. Thankfully their actions and their teachings are recorded in a book for us called the B.I.B.L.E.  We must remember the things they taught so we are not lead away by the strange new doctrines that are invented of men and used to bring us into submission.  If we fellowship with Godly elders (that do not violate Hebrews 13:7 by their actions or teachings) we should yield ourselves to their teachings and Godly way of life as they are proven in the faith and have experience dealing with things us younger folks do not yet have.  Beyond that, we must obey Hebrews 13:7 and utterly reject any teaching that violates what Christ and the apostles taught.

For the edification of the saints -Jim

  1. fleebabylon says:

    A clear example is a woman sitting in a lutheran church abstaining from certain meats during a made up period named lent because her leaders order her to do so. She may claim that she is obeying hebrews 13:7, but she is actually disobeying it.

  2. ian vincent says:

    In Hebrews 13, ruling is mentioned 3 times, (Vs, 7, 17, 24)

    If we take this into account:

    But Jesus called them to him, and said unto them, You know that they who are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their leaders exercise authority over them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever would be great among you, shall be your servant:
    (Mark 10:42-43)

    …then we know that the ruling or leading Paul is talking about is not of the same order as is normal in the world. Christian leadership will be very different to secular leadership, or leadership in other religions.

    They will not be controlling.

    Therefore, they don’t rule over peoples lives. There are only certain things that they do rule over.

    In 1 Tim 3 we read about elders and deacons who have to be able to rule their household first.

    This sheds some light, cos within a family there should be a lot of freedom, yet a dad has certain boundaries drawn, and he will exercise his authority if those boundaries are crossed. A good dad is not orchestrating a family, like a puppet-master, the way that many Christian leaders orchestrate or control the church. A good father would not set up a pulpit in the living room and dictate to everyone. Just bcos he doesn’t overtly rule over the family, it doesn’t mean that he doesnt rule. the same in the church with the elders.

    The issue is: which specific things do elders have authority from God to rule over?

    A reading of 1 Cor 14 tells us that elders should not rule over the church “program” and hinder the free exercising if the gifts (as is the usual thing these days) but they are to be responsible for the proper use of the gifts.

    • fleebabylon says:

      I really hope we will see the saints get back to NT christianity before the end, with true elders in the local church and the gifts functioning here in america.

      • Al Nelson says:

        I was encouraged yesterday by a visit from a new vendor that stopped by to visit and build on a business relationship. He’s an older gentleman whom I found out is a Christian and aware of the apostasy out there. We spent a good hour just talking about the Lord. He lives about 4 hours away, but I hope we can begin building a fellowship outside of work. It’s wonderful to stumble across brothers in the course of life.

  3. fleebabylon says:

    Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. -KJV

    I want to give the logical conclusion of what this would look like if I were to follow this the way it is taught by churchianities puppet masters….

    I would be attending propserity preacher conferences, teaching tithing, pursuing a masters divinity degree, making merchandise out of the saints of God… heaven forbid.


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  5. John says:

    Me and my family left the institutional church 3.years ago. I reread the NT with fresh eyes trying to see what it said not filtered through the American experience. This passage troubled me. I spent months asking God to help me understand it through 1st century eyes. I would like to share with you what God told me. Please contact me so I could do so over phone fellowship. Enjoying your website.

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