The antichrist more likely to be a ‘christian’ than a muslim

Posted: March 13, 2012 in apostasy
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There is a big trend in christendom to teach that the antichrist will be a muslim. I wanted to share a couple of reasons I lean away from that belief.  Opposing comments encouraged as I am not 100% solid on this.  I am just writing here, not trying to teaching doctrine.

  • There have been many antichrists already, even since Johns day, 600 years before Islam was established (1 John 2:18)
  • The antichrist (if you believe that is the man of lawlessness) will sit in the temple of God and declare that he is God – the pope has already done this – the temple of God is the Church no longer a physical building in Isreal – in the dark ages the pope sat as the professed head of the visible church and still does to some extent (2 Thesselonians 2:3)
  • Catholics today still call the pope the vicar of Christ – Christ on earth
  • Even the false converts that fill the western churches would never align with a muslim claiming to be God
  • The western church has made a big push to cause her followers to hate muslims – even to the extent of going overseas to kill them – not to align with them
  • There is a big push in the western churches for catholics and evangelicals together – it is even taking roots in places where I would have never have given it a chance
  • You know the classic comedy skit where two people are eating lunch and one says quick – look over there – then proceeds to steal food from the plate of the other person while they are looking away… I think it is kind of like that. Quick – look over there the antichrist is coming and he is an arab (meanwhile in plain site the same people who have you look to islam are forming the great whore church system that the antichrist will rule from)
  • The antichrist will deceive the very elect if that were possible – most church people are already deceived by the harlot church system, they will easily be deceived when the man of lawlessness rules it globally – I once wrote’ no 666 mark of the beast needed for most church people – they are already going to hell’ – They are looking for a muslim, meanwhile they are already deceived by the harlot church – they are more than half way there already
  • Revelation 17 seems to speak of an unholy marriage of false church+ceaser – the whorish rcc has a long history of heading this and her harlot daughter in evangelical circles are following in her footsteps
  1. fleebabylon says:

    Part of an old post I read on sermon index:

    Again this was the same thing John was saying here:

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: [b]and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, [B]EVEN NOW ARE THERE MANY ANTICHRISTS;[/B] whereby we know that it is the last time.

    And next he tell you where they came from.

    19 [b]They went out from us,[/b] but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: [b]but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.[/b]

    So when they were told to leave, becasue they would not give up their heresies. What did they do? They went out preaching “CHRIST” and coming in his “name”, saying Jesus was the Christ, BUT teaching ANOTHER GOSPEL.

    AND they have continued right on up to our day doing this very thing.

    Remember what Paul told the Corinthians when he warned them of another Jesus, another gospel, and another spirit?

    1 Cor 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

    2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: [b] I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[/b]

    3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity (single one way only) that is in Christ.

    What happens when you are presented as a chaiste virgin to Christ? You are taught the TRUTH. When that truth become CORRUPTED, you are no longer a chaiste virgin, but a HARLOT. WHY? Because you have received ANOTHER JESUS, by receiving another gospel. And when you have received another gospel you also receive another spirit, which is a DEVIL or deceiving spirit.

    Hence you are filled with a deceiving spririt, also called a spirit of whoredom and a spirit of slumber.

    I hate to say, this but this was already taking place 2000 years ago. The gospel that 99.999999% that most churches and individuals know and teach today, is not the one Jesus and the apostles taught, but is inherited from the very ones that “went out”, were asked to leave, that began heresies clear back in the first century.

    This guy that is coming along now and teaching that the antichrist is Islam et. does not really know the Bible. It was EASY for Satan to set up Islam to look like what Christianity would like the antichrist to be, because Christianity wants it to be everythig but what it really is. Because the antichrist is THEM.

    I personally was originally indoctrinated with a false gospel, the gospel of the antichrist harlot church. I was a true believer, but “born” in Babylon. Now I am headed back to Jerusalem, to build the wall (figuritivly). Seeking and searching the Word of truth. Getting rid of all false teachings, and coming to a knowledge of the truth.

    Hope you all do the same, and I know that God is working in people I see it here. But I also see that “other guy” here too.

    In the end we each will think the other is the antichrist. We actually do it now, but don’t always say so. The proof will be when the hammer comes down, and those who have held to a false gospel, start persicuting their fellow christians.

    Don’t follow these yahoo antichrist hunters. Rather look for the “antichrist” in YOU. Work the word and live it and get rid of all false beliefs that are based on verses of scripture taken out of context to form “another gospel”.

  2. fleebabylon says:

    “It was EASY for Satan to set up Islam to look like what Christianity would like the antichrist to be, because Christianity wants it to be everythig but what it really is. Because the antichrist is THEM.”

    This is powerful – of course the brother means christendom not true christianity when he says this.

  3. Al Nelson says:

    Amen brother, a simple distinctive understanding of the word “anti” that I have learned means in place of. Too many people think in terms of anti meaning opposite. Once the truth of the real meaning sets in, more truth can sink in. We are not looking for someone opposite of what Christianity is, but something that has characteristics of the real thing and takes it’s place. Notice in Rev. 13:11

    Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

    • Al Nelson says:

      We learn in Rev. 12 that the dragon is satan:
      9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

      Jesus is referred to as the Lamb throughout the New Testament. Therefore this 2nd beast described in Rev. 13 has the outward appearance of Christ, but inwardly mirrors and speaks in the same manner as satan, deceiving the whole world of who will be deceived. This, to me is part of the abomination of desolations standing where it ought nought. In the hearts and minds of the living stones. The ones who were once followers of Christ, now fallen away.

  4. fleebabylon says:

    Regardless of who this final man of sin is most professing christians are going to hell – no mark of the beast needed.

  5. ian vincent says:

    Just some loose points:

    a) One element is the characteristic of the “spirit of antichrist” in that it denies the eternal, co-equality of the Father and the Son, 1 John 2:22. The final antichrist/beast will deny this.

    b) The beast/antichrist destroys babylon. Babylon, in theory, on paper, believes in the Father and the Son (but not in practice, in a living faith).

    c) So, the beast destroys “christianity” and the whole world follows him and worships him and his image (idol) probably a digital image.

    d) What’s going to happen to Islam? IMO, the beast will be the “imam mahdi” of islam, or the “jesus” of islam (and the mahdi, the false prophet). But that doesn’t mean that the beast’s kingdom is islam. It could mean that the beast offers the muslims freedom from their oppressive laws, and a license to sin, and they go for it.

    e) What about Hinduism, which comprises a significant bloc of the world? They also are expecting a “tribulation” time and the arrival of a messiah. Many of the chief gurus have no problem accepting Jesus as an avatar, a re-birthed soul, and some claim to be Jesus reincarnated.

    Thus, what i see so far, to date, is that the beast/antichrist will not be part of any of the main religions, but he comes as a “third party”, or, a new alternative, or an “independent”, and in that way (by lying signs and wonders) he can win over all the religions by showing that really they all worship the same God but under different names.

    To me, it looks like both Christianity and Islam gets rejected and the MOS transcends them, freeing people of the “bondage” of having to adhere to a moral code.

    The deep down universal reason for religion is for man to find a way to ease his conscience concerning his sin. like a drug to make him feel better in his sins. Repentance is not an option, so how can i feel better while still in my sins? How can i feel spiritual and united to God without having to repent? This is why religion exists, so that man can feel self-justified and not in need of repentance toward God, to ease his conscience.

    What if the beast is the ultimate answer to this cry?

    Even muslims and hindus will party in the streets that now they can openly be gay and do whatever they like and not feel condemned anymore, cos the “universal love” and acceptance has arrived.

    And, as has already been mentioned in this thread, we see the antichrist spirit already very strong in Christianity.

    The woman rode the beast. She could not rule without him.

    • ian vincent says:

      Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.
      This means that the beast is a king who actually dies and comes back to life later. He then rules by virtue of his resurrection.

      (in the Living Bible it comes out clearer)

      • ian vincent says:

        BTW, this is just my opinion or observation, not a prophecy. My opinion on this might be quite different later, depending on new developments.

        (bro, if you would like to merge these 3 posts into one, i’m OK with that)

        • ian vincent says:

          : ) continued….

          What is the reason for the beast to destroy the woman, babylon? If, really, they are both of the devil? Is satan divided?

          Their is one sticking point with Roman Catholicism, and that is the question of primacy (ultimate authority over the earth). While the vatican is “inter-faith” it doesn’t budge an inch from its claim to be the rightful ruler of the earth. Its reason for being interfaith is so that all faiths will come “into her fold”. That aint going to happen, and sooner or later the world realizes that Rome is a dinosaur and its claims bogus. That’s already happening.

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  7. ian vincent says:

    One way to look at it is to observe the way the world, both secular and religious, is heading, and look to see any common denominators or trends which could help piece together an identikit picture of the coming MOS, based on the assumption that he will embody and incarnate all that the apocalyptic era and the last generation aspires to. The MOS will encapsulate the hopes and dreams of humanity and speak on behalf of mankind, as the head of the human race.

    See where the human race is going and you see WHO is coming to fill that job vacancy. The world is creating the job of a world leader.

    IMO, when we see the current trends, it wouldn’t surprise me if the MOS claims to be Jesus.

    The new emerging “jesus” of the Emergent church, and the liberals, mainline denominations and the ecumenical movement could certainly be accepted by the whole world.

    There is a “jesus” emerging who has a message that is so close to the truth, that it would even deceive the very elect if it were possible.

    There will be much talk of love and freedom. Freedom from religion, even. House churches will swallow it.

    This “jesus” will destroy evil Babylon. In that sense, he appears to execute righteous judgment against the sins of babylon.

    This “jesus” is certainly a messiah (a christ).

    He could very well embody the hope people have of a world free from tyranny and religious oppression.

    How many Muslims secretly (in fear) groan for the heavy burden that has been placed on them by men, and long for liberation? (the “arab spring” shows that not all muslims will blindly submit to what their leaders say)

    And perhaps the key to the final countdown is how the MOS steps in to the middle east and Israel conflict.

    The Bible says that whole world will worship him – that means both Jews and Arabs, unitedly.

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  9. fleebabylon says:

    brother- I will dig into your comments this weekend, dont want you to think I have been ingoring you. Just super busy and then got terribly sick yesterday..

    in Christ -Jim

  10. fleebabylon says:

    Ian said:
    ..he can win over all the religions by showing that really they all worship the same God but under different names.

    Ian said:
    There is a “jesus” emerging who has a message that is so close to the truth, that it would even deceive the very elect if it were possible.

    There will be much talk of love and freedom. Freedom from religion, even. House churches will swallow it.

    Jim here:
    Ian, I so already see the freedom from religion thing happening – where religion is not only man made traditions but anything I dont like in scripture. Like “freedom” from the idea that homosexuality is a sin…

    Ultimately on the topic of man of lawlessness who will sit himself in the temple of God… do you believe that is a physical temple to be built in Isreal or the visible Church?

    In Christ -Jim

  11. fleebabylon says:

    The pope has been an antichrist for hundreds upon hundreds of years. I am not sure the final anti christ will be a pope, but there is certainly a pattern of that so far. It is actually creepy how the news in the US, even the liberal news, will say things like “Millions of pilgrims arrived in Rome today, where the faithful were gathered to celebrate midnight mass with the pope…”. It makes me want to vomit of course, but at the same time it is interesting the upbeat zombie like repetition of these words in the news reports I hear.

  12. ian vincent says:

    Hi brother

    Re a pope being the antichrist:

    Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which you saw upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
    Rev 17:17 For God has put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    If the Vatican and the papacy is representative of the harlot on Rev 17, then the antichrist/beast destroys it, and that system or “kingdom” is replaced by the beast’s kingdom.

    Vs 16-17 there is a shift from supporting the harlot to supporting the beast.

    (the final pope turning against the harlot could also be a possibility)

    If and when the Vatican goes up in smoke, then what happens to all the catholics? Their faith has just gone up in smoke, so they easily wonder about the beast and worship him as the greater power.
    Re “Ultimately on the topic of man of lawlessness who will sit himself in the temple of God… do you believe that is a physical temple to be built in Isreal or the visible Church?”
    Could be both! I don’t know.

    They could rebuild a temple for his throne, and then, in the “churches” set up his image to worship, or thru a digital link.
    Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all tribes, and tongues, and nations.

    Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

  13. Jason Breitkreuz says:

    Admittedly, this is merely my opinion. Popular evangelical christian teaching leads right to the arms of the enemy. Paul struggled against the legalistic judaizers that threw the Galatians off track. He marvelled how easily they left the simplicity of the blood of Christ, to be put under lthe law. Paul repeated himself twice saying “But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you , let him be accursed”

    Now since God is sending a delusion to those that don’t love the truth,such as love money, they will believe the lie and turn back to legalism. In fact this a return to the old covenant is commonly taught in christianity through the pre-trip rapture doctrine. Within the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture, is the doctrine that the church age ends in failure, we return to a system under the Judaistic law and there is now no longer any offer of life through Christ by his blood, and there is no work of the Holy Spirit in men to change hearts. This is another gospel, which in fact, is not another gospel.

    Jesus said that many deceivers would come in his name, so we can expect that we will have to know our Lord personally to withstand. Which is why all should be exhorted to know our Lord for themselves. I dare say if we know who the antichrist is and the country he comes from, but don’t have love , we will fall under the delusion.

    “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon” Rev. 13:11
    To me, this beast has the outside appearance of Christ, yet speaks unlike Jesus.

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