The scandal of reformed churchianity

Posted: December 15, 2013 in catholicism, ecclesia, harlot church, Jesus

“pastor” deyoung seems to have no more clue what the “church” is than the pope does. To him, the Biblical church is just blah, blah, blah, while the roman catholic like institution he is a leader in is very important to attend every week.

Shameful. I am glad Jesus is leading His saints out of these harlot reformed places to gather together on equal ground as brothers and sisters in His body.

-Jim

See article and my comment here http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/12/13/the-scandal-of-the-semi-churched/

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  1. fleebabylon says:

    What to make of the scandal of semi-reformed roman catholic churchianity. To paraphrase something I heard recently “it is very hard to get a man to see a truth that would put his livelihood at stake”. So it is very hard to get the leaders of man made religious institutions to see how corrupt their traditions and practice are.

    -Jim

  2. fleebabylon says:

    Great comment I read from the article

    Sure, if you don’t show up every Sunday how can you put a little something in the offering plate? The tithe must flow…

    This argument has the same flaw as Kevin’s book, Why We Love The Church, namely that the positives of “going to church” (and the distinction between “going to church” and “being the church” is important in spite of clumsy efforts to brush it aside as being “persnickety”) can and are accomplished outside of formalized religious events where the church is by and large relegated to the role of spectator. The false dichotomy presented so often, either a) go to church every Sunday or b) never fellowship is ridiculous. There is a reason so many churches have small groups, namely that the church doesn’t get real fellowship sitting in pews staring at the back of the head of other church goers. Self-serving arguments like this smack of desperation as more and more Christians jettison the cultural religious traditions we inherited and modified from Rome. In spite of less than subtle threats like “if you don’t go to church as often and in the manner our culture demands you might not/probably aren’t saved”, the religious system is crumbling all around us. That doesn’t mean the actual church is crumbling. In many ways the church will be far more healthy when we jettison our event driven religious traditions that pit local churches against one another when competing for attenders (and givers of course). Those who have a vested interest won’t see that or admit it but it is true nevertheless.

  3. fleebabylon says:

    Another comment I came across:

    What a waste of time. Those who agree with this article already attend church religiously. Those who don’t do so because of people who write articles like this.

  4. fleebabylon says:

    and another:

    This is probably one of the sickest, controlling, manipulative blogs I’ve read in a long time. There is sooo much I could write but it would take much too long. Your premise to begin with is wrong: the church is not something you attend, it’s is the Body of Christ. We are admonished to to gather together, but where are we told it must be weekly? We see in the scriptures that people shared their lives together, going from house to house, not to a building. They were in relationship with one another, friendships….
    You are trying to enforce a tradition that is a Western version of Churchianity, but not Christianity. Start examining the scriptures comparing how little of what you view as “biblical” church actually resembles the scriptures. Church services will not be found in the scriptures….it is man-made, but elevated above Christ….”in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.”

  5. fleebabylon says:

    Mikeee said

    “People do what they want to do and when they don’t want to be with god’s kids in a local assembly that God himself created then 1) you are missing out; 2) others are missing out; and 3) you should consider what the fruit means. Your priorities are an embodiment of your loves.”

    That is your great error dear one. God did NOT create 501c, clergy/laity, or denominational church structures. Read the Bible man, it’s in there plain as day. Don’t let a nicolatian religious leader read it for you.

    Lovingly in Christ, Jim

  6. Scarlett says:

    I found it downright appalling that these two hirelings, DeYoung and Thom Rainer have the audacity to blame it on the sheep, that folks are not attending their bird cages.

    Then Thom Rainer offers some ridiculous suggestions how they, (the corporate hirelings) might go about to remedy the truancy of their members. Suggestions such as giving the congregants more busy work to do; their notion of involvement in “ministry work”. Never mind the fact that the “congregants” are being denied the use of their spiritual gifts in participating in true ekklesia by the Nicolaitan hierarchy controlling the “church”, in direct contradiction to the scriptural admonition of Apostle Paul they themselves referred to in 1 Cor 12, which describes how the TRUE EKKLESIA flows together in harmony by the working of the Holy Spirit in each believer.

    Rainer goes on to suggest that the members should be monitored, just like school children keeping track of how often the members attend. By the God police truant officer?

    May I suggest that none of their suggestions are going to work for the very reason that the foundation of their “church” system is broken. I don’t believe the LORD is any longer going to turn a blind eye to the outright apostasy in these “churches”.

    I have often said, the apostate church can’t be reformed, only abandoned. Odd that these hirelings call themselves “reformed”.

    May the Holy Spirit draw out those who are for the TRUTH, and delivered them from this spiritual abuse and bondage.

    For Jesus Truth~Scarlett

  7. Jim, I left the following comment on Mr. DeYoung’s blog article:

    Most of the people who I know that have come out of the traditional, cultural church experience are people who were pillars in these same places before their exit. Why did they leave?

    Obedience: the Holy Spirit led them out.

    The increasing apostasy evident in the traditional church experience is a sign of God’s judgment against the errors they contain. What are these errors? Here are some examples [prefaced by a question]: “By whose authority do you support practices that God clearly rejects?

    For example, referring to the church as a building or place, which is a pagan idea and practice. Under the New Covenant, there is no official holy place for believers to gather: rather, we are the temples of the Holy Spirit that are built up together for a habitation of the Holy Spirit, as a holy people (2 Corinthians 5:1; 1 Peter 2:5).] Jesus emphasized this truth in His conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4:20-24).

    For example, the observance of special times and the creation of a holy day: Christians are no longer to observe special times and days, for they have been called to a sabbath lifestyle–in which every day is a day of rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ–and set apart to God.

    For example, dividing the body of Christ on the basis of creeds and interpretations, and this includes creating a list of members, as if it is man [and not God] who has the power to make men members of the body of Christ. We have no power to reject anyone whom God has received. Tragically, the entire system of organized religion is built upon a spirit of division that continually undermines people’s understanding that we are all of one Lord, faith, and baptism (Ephesians 4:5). Knowing the Lord makes us part of His body, not subscribing to a particular creed or emphasizing particular truths. Jesus’s last prayer for His followers before laying down His life was that they would receive the revelation of their unity in Christ (John 17:20-23): therefore, dividing [denominating] the body of Christ is a direct contradiction to the revealed will of God. Denominations are the fruit of men who desire to build their own kingdoms in order to receive the glory intended for God (1 Corinthians 1:10-15). Notice, these natural boundaries negate the work and leadership of the Holy Spirit to draw saints into fellowship and ministry with one another according to the Father’s will and direction.

    For example, creating an elevated class of spiritually elite believers who occupy the best seats within the assembly, wear special clothing, and are addressed by spiritual titles: whose function is to direct worship at a physical temple and collect tithes from the people to support themselves and temple activities. This includes allowing a human personality to predominate the assembly at the saints. Not only is this idolatry, the practice negates and grieves the work of the Holy Spirit to minister through the gifts of all the saints (1 Corinthians 12 and 14). This is an attempt to re-institute the Old Testament, Levitical priesthood and a rejection of the nature and reality of the New Covenant founded upon and sealed by the blood of Jesus (Matthew 26:28; Romans 7:4; Hebrews 8:13, 12:24). Jesus commanded His disciples to never allow other believers to refer to them by any spiritual title, including ‘master’ or ‘teacher,’ stating, you are all brothers (Matthew 23:8). Every believer is a member of the royal priesthood, fully authorized and commissioned by Christ to preach the gospel, baptize in Jesus’ name, and partake of the Lord’s Supper with other believers, as the Spirit leads.

    All of these practices corrupt people’s understanding of the true nature of Christ’s atoning work, what He died to accomplish and reveal.

    Of course, many attempt to justify their support of what is false by pointing out the good that they also do: however, Jesus said, “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you,” (John 15:14).

    It is immoral to point to our good works, as a means of justifying the evil we do in the sight of God.

    How will we be judged?

    We will be judged on the basis of the truth we have received (Matthew 11:21-24; Luke 12:48)

    We will be judged on the basis of what we say and do (Jeremiah 17:10; Matthew 12:36; Romans 2:6-11)

    We will be judged on the basis of God’s clear commands, as revealed through scripture by the agency of the Holy Spirit (John 12:48)

  8. Went back and posted the following:

    What’s sad about this discussion is that people think it’s a debate between assembling and not assembling: when it’s really a debate between assembling according to the wisdom of man and assembling according to the wisdom of God.

    Big difference.

  9. fleebabylon says:

    Jesus and the apostles say:

    we are all brethren (Matthew 23:6-12)
    don’t use religious titles (Matthew 23:6-12)
    don’t create schismatic groups (1 Corinthians 10:13)
    elders lead from among the sheep (1 Peter 5:1-4)
    everyone can share at the gathering of the saints (1 Corinthians 14:26-36)
    God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, we are living stones (Acts 7:48)

    The leaders of mans religious kingdoms say:

    some are clergy (paid) and some laity
    promote using Christ dishonoring religious titles to exalt themselves (look at how many people call him pastor deyoung in the comments)
    promote their carnal man made denominations
    keep saints shut up in pews as they exalt themselves on a stage with a pulpit
    promote special religious buildings

    —–>

    Besides undevoted church goers, there is another group of people who won’t regularly attend mans religious ceremonies (that are NOTHING like the gathering together Hebrews 10:25 calls for):

    They are called out by Jesus and are a testimony against so called reformed (not much different than rome) churches. The leaders who’s pocketbook and reputation are at risk decry this as do those in the pews with spiritual Stockholm syndrome (often proving their allegiance is to mans kingdom and not Christs).

    Their is great life and freedom in meeting according to Gods pattern and not mans. To have real relationships with the saints being joined together in Jesus rather than by a program or institution. For those serious about serving Christ, dig into the word, look at it as it really is and not how your nicolatian leaders have taught you. You are acting a lot like the popes loyalists during the reformation. Flee from these harlot daughters of Rome (Revelation 18) true saints. Find brethren to meet with on equal ground as brothers and sisters in Christ (if you are an elder this will take much humility on your part). Leave these fallen systems for their rightful use, as holding pens for hirelings and goats.

    Real relationships, real NT christianity… or reformed churchianity and traditions of men?

    In Christ -Jim

  10. Scarlett says:

    Very good posts Brothers!

    Kevin DeLong and Thom Rainer both opened a window of opportunity to be rebuked by those with eyes to see and ears to hear, when they posted what amounted to an attack against those who’ve left, been disillusioned with, or just plain bored with the emptiness of the false church system these men reign over.

    I read a lot of the many comments on that blog, and believe there were quite a few folks that were beginning to see through the veil of deception and bondage they’ve been under.

    I pray that at least a remnant of the over 4,000 views, or shares on that one post of Thom Rainer’s were able to read and grasp the truth in your posts.

    Kept by His Love~Scarlett

    • fleebabylon says:

      Scarlett,

      That is my main contention, that these two seeming leaders judged falsely in condemning believers for not attending their unbiblical church systems with enough frequency. Sort of like if I throw an ongoing party at the stinkiest corner of the town dump then threaten my friends when they don’t show up and pay their admission fee each week.

  11. Scarlett says:

    Jim,
    Perhaps the words in your response to me wouldn’t be received well by the delicate ears in “pastor” DeLongs little corner of the apostate world. But nevertheless, what you said is true.

    I’ve often wondered if these “church leaders” are deliberately deceiving those Jesus would set free? Or, are they themselves victims of man made traditions, passing on the same deceptions handed down from past generations even as far back as the Pharisees that Jesus dealt with.

    Should they receive our compassion …….or a sharp rebuke? Or…should we just leave them alone?

    He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. 14“Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Matt 15:13-14

    Or, another option…..put the truth out there for those who will receive it, and let the Lord watch over His Word to perform it, since obviously without Him we can do nothing.

    ~Scarlett

    • fleebabylon says:

      I’ve often wondered if these “church leaders” are deliberately deceiving those Jesus would set free? Or, are they themselves victims of man made traditions, passing on the same deceptions handed down from past generations even as far back as the Pharisees that Jesus dealt with.

      —————————————

      I think both. I know that there are true brethren in their as elders / pastors that have followed empty traditions. Even if DeYoung is a true brother (I make no judgment) he rightly deserves to be rebuked publicly for his error.

      In Christ -Jim

      • Scarlett says:

        Yes, since he has placed himself in that position, he should be the one rebuked….rather than him rebuking the “laity” for not frequenting the church. as often as he thinks they should. Even if he did so in ignorance.

        I make no judgment either, other than to say if indeed he has “the mind of Christ”, then he should know better. Or, to write books about it. I include his co-religionist Thom Rainer in that as well.

        One of the main problems I see is the lack of teaching in churches on a “pastors” scriptural function in the ekklesia as outlined in the scriptures. Namely, in order of importance, ‘he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;”Eph 4″11
        .
        and…….

        ” And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.” 1 Cor 12″28.

        “pastors” are missing from the last list, and may be included under helps and/or governments. (I’m sure someone more learned than I could clarify that). However, “pastors” is down the list in importance, and I’m fairly sure there is a good reason the LORD ordered it that way in scripture

        In any case, I’ve noticed when studying the scriptures, our LORD didn’t seem to have a very high opinion of “pastors”; as Jer 23:2 and many similar verses will bear out in a simple word search.

        One example:

        “Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord”.

        Studying the scriptures, (with the help of the Holy Spirit), would reveal this topsy turvy, Niclolaitan arrangement of the entire organized church system in short order if Christians would set aside their preconceived notions and man made traditions long enough to see the truth of how the LORD intended His ekklesia ordered. Especially those men who spent years in seminary studying the word of God in order to become a pastor

        I didn’t “see” it either as a new Christian. But during this time, I kept wondering..’ why isn’t the church operating the way it did in the early church?” It took several more years before the Holy Spirit could get through to me.

        Kept by Jesus,
        Scarlett

        • Scarlett: the Lord esteems shepherds [elders] greatly; Jeremiah 23, Ezekiel 13, and other passages describe false prophets and false teachers.

          On a side note, I don’t interpret the list of the equipping gifts as a hierarchy [order of importance]: I believe this interpretation is consistent with what you already believe concerning body life, based upon reading your past comments.

          Peace and grace,

          Mark

          • Scarlett says:

            Thank you for your gentle correction Mark. It shows me that I need a clearing away and repentance of my opinions based on past experiences with pastors, and painting most pastors with that same brush.

            I contradicted myself by my own comment, because I do believe the scriptures indicate we as believers are of one body, and God is not a respecter of persons.
            “12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

            14 For the body is not one member, but many.” 1Cor 12:14-17.

            Blessings,

            Scarlett

  12. fleebabylon says:

    My last comment there

    There are many gifts in the body of Christ, and a legitimate role of elders (pastors) leading from among the less mature saints. Yet Jesus strictly forbids the use of religious titles while affirming the common brotherhood and royal priesthood of all believers. An elder leading looks a lot more like a big brother caring for the house while his father is away than it does a protestant pulpit pope.

    When a man allows himself to be called names like “pastor deyoung” it shows error, which could be from a pure heart, but is definitely from a bad tradition. The same can be said for being an elder that allows for roman catholicism v2.0 to be played out under his watch every Sunday, could be pure heart, bad tradition. Yet, when that man starts writing articles accusing people who don’t want to join him in his error every Sunday that puts him in real danger of being found a blind guide like the pharisees who were headed towards hell. Basically, he has no right to write this article as reformed churchianities “gathering together” is nothing like Hebrews 10:25.

    This article is misguided, abusive, and hypocritical. I hope that those with ears to hear will start seeking real relationships with other saints on level ground free from the abusive traditions of men who are drunk on religion.

    -Jim

    Matthew 24:48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  13. fleebabylon says:

    Pure heart, bad tradition…

    Always leave room for genuine Godly elders and saints in the system. They may have this one important area they are blind to, but I might have two or three other areas. There may be a saint who is ignorant to all things churchianity, but they may outlove me, outpray me, etc.

    Does this make me want to shut up then? No, just the opposite, to evangelize those caught up in religion and call them into freedom. It is for freedom that Jesus set us free.

  14. fleebabylon says:

    Some say

    “look at all the good that those churches do”

    in return I would say

    “imagine then what could be done if they got with the biblical program”.

  15. fleebabylon says:

    Jesus says kingdom authority is way opposite of gentile (worldly authority). Imagine that we were brother and sister by natural birth and I was a judge. People at work would call me “Judge Jim” as a title of respect and that is expected in the world. Then one thanksgiving at our parents house I start insisting that you call me “Judge Jim” too because I am your older brother. Oh how that would cheapen our relationship as brother and sister wouldn’t it? Father would probably be none to happy with my shenanigans either.

    In Gods word you will never find Paul or Peter addressing themselves as “The apostle Paul” but rather describing themselves as Paul, an apostle. They must have take Christ’s words here much more seriously than we do today:

    Matthew 23 (Youngs’ literal)
    `And ye — ye may not be called Rabbi, for one is your director — the Christ, and all ye are brethren; and ye may not call [any] your father on the earth, for one is your Father, who is in the heavens, nor may ye be called directors, for one is your director — the Christ. And the greater of you shall be your ministrant,

    That word director is also translated as teacher and master. Now we know that he gave some to be teachers (that is the gift they give to the body) but none to be saluted or exalted by their role (ie evangelist Jim) with gentile titles. See Job 32:31, John 5:44, Jude 17.

    Again Jesus says:

    Matthew 20 (Youngs’ literal)
    and Jesus having called them near, said, `Ye have known that the rulers of the nations do exercise lordship over them, and those great do exercise authority over them, but not so shall it be among you, but whoever may will among you to become great, let him be your ministrant; and whoever may will among you to be first, let him be your servant;

    There is no clergy-laity divide in the new testament, we are all brethren from the youngest believer to the elder with the strongest teaching gift. Titles are forbidden as they cheapen what Christ died to purchase (as do denominations). It is hard to see these things when your life is integrated into them.

    If you came to a NT meeting where everyone had a word, hymn, etc, and could tell the elders by their character and authority in their teaching you would see that titles, pews, programs, and many other traditions are bondage from men that Jesus died to free us from.

    Please don’t think I devalue or am angry at brethren who are in the church system, yet elders and leaders must be held publicly accountable according to scripture. Jesus said whoever exalts themselves above the body of Christ will be humbled.

    In Christ -Jim

  16. Scarlett says:

    Most of us entered into our spiritual journey inside the organized church system, so I recognize myself in this admonition, as one who “fell into the snare of the fowler”,
    It seems that only in the past several decades there has been an awakening to the deception of the ICC, with the result that many have- and are still coming out of it.
    “Back in the day”, prior to this awakening there was really no other place to go for fellowship besides in the four walls of the church. How frustrating this must have been for those who felt they had a call on their life to serve and had no idea how to obey that call other than inside the organized church.
    This has caused me to think of my late father in law, who was the most godly, gentle and loving man I ever had the privilege to know in the years before my husband died. He had been in public ministry for 40 yrs in a denomination known as simply “Christian church”.
    This was a group that did communion every Sunday morning. The title given him was Reverend. Yet, truly he was a very humble man.
    Much later, 3 months after I received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit I joined a Pentecostal church, thinking that was the thing to do. This group happened to be one that “ordained” women and let them teach and preach. One of the women I became close to, and still am, was ordained in this fashion, and took on the title of Rev, in front of her name.
    I’ve since moved away, but remain in contact with her. She would be very hurt and offended if I ever said anything to her about this, as she is very entrenched into that particular church, and I’ve never seemed to find a way to broach this subject with her in a way that wouldn’t totally upset her. She is extremely sensitive if she thinks she has done anything wrong.
    After I left that church, I did discuss the Nicolaitan issue with her older sister, (also an “ordained” minister), with my friend present. The sister became very angry and shut down the discussion by saying, “Well, I know what’s right”.
    In that church, tithing, women being ordained, teaching, preaching, etc, was what was considered “right”. I was told by another friend after I left, that I was “raked over the coals” by my friends there.
    I hold no hard feelings as I have had many good times in prayer with them, and still consider them to be good people, but just misguided. The system is so very deceptive, Satan could scarcely have chosen a more subtle and effective way to bring people into bondage.

    ~Scarlett

  17. Mike Gantt says:

    Jim,

    Read some of your comments on Kevin DeYoung’s blog. Good words!

    Keep speaking up for our glorious Lord!

  18. fleebabylon says:

    Note that blog author I linked to also wrote this book…

    “Why We Love the Church: In Praise of Institutions and Organized Religion”

    http://www.amazon.com/Why-Love-Church-Institutions-Organized/dp/0802458378

    Not self serving at all, nope, nothing to see here, just pay your tithes and buy the book and everyone gets a yellow star sticker to wear that says “loyal church member”.

  19. Mickey Merrie says:

    This blog and the comments encourage me on this narrow road. Thanks to all of you!

    For your consideration:

    John 10, Jesus the Good Shepherd.
    KJV (You may want to read it in your own version if it reads too hard here.)
    1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the
    sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
    2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the
    porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by
    name, and leadeth them out. 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth
    before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger
    will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of
    strangers. 6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what
    things they were which he spake unto them.

    7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door
    of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the
    sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be
    saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but
    for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life,
    and that they might have it more abundantly.

    11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12But
    he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth
    the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them,
    and scattereth the sheep. 13The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and
    careth not for the sheep. 14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am
    known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay
    down my life for the sheep.

    The title of this part in scripture in John 10 is known as, “Jesus the Good
    Shepherd”! Now that implies that there are bad shepherds, doesn’t it? So see
    that he who attempts to enter in by climbing in another way is a thief and a
    robber. See that Jesus in the first paragraph is quite clear that all who
    attempt to do this are not of Him and are thieves and robbers.

    See too that in the second paragraph Jesus says all those before Him were not of
    Him, being thieves and robbers! Yet those that were truly His would not listen
    to them, but only follow Him!

    Now, here is the key to learning from context! See that in the third paragraph,
    He makes clear WHO these thieves and robbers are that He speaks of, for in verse
    12 and verse 13 He calls them HIRELINGS! Yes, Jesus is warning of those men who
    climb up via another way do so to steal from Him and His sheep! They are
    hireling and not under shepherds!

    How do they climb? They climb via academia, denominationalism and the accolades
    of men, rather than sitting at His feet and learning of Him through His chosen
    method which is scripture in context revealed to us by the Holy Spirit! This
    also points to the scripture, many are called, but few are chosen.

    Jeremiah has a lot to say in prophetic warning regarding these men, as does
    Jude! Can you see more clearly the depth of the deception in denominational
    churchianity?

    Precious few men function in His Way as elders and under-shepherds of His sheep.
    This too is why the sheep are scattered.

    Blind guides, hirelings and wolves have not broken the system, for they have
    created another system, and since it is another system and not His System (so
    much more than a system is His Way) there is nothing to fix!

    It’s sins have reached to heaven, and His own must heed His Call and come out of
    her, lest we too be caught up in her destruction! Rev.18

    We have come out of the Babylonian Harlot, and her 55,000+ denominational
    daughters, now let Him remove the Babylonian traditions from us! Allow Him as He
    builds on the foundation He laid, the teachings He gave to the Apostles, the
    Word in context, and to be revealed to us through the Holy Spirit!

    Sound doctrine takes enduring, as opposed to lazy men who will gather men of letters whose traditions will merely tickle our itchy ears.

  20. fleebabylon says:

    My comment from:

    http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2015/05/14/6-reasons-why-membership-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-147659

    AH- Hireling Deyoung is at it again! To my poor, semi reformed roman catholic friends. I pray you be freed from your religious bondage and lies in the name of Jesus. The ‘fellowship’ and ‘church’ that hireling Deyoung teaches about is not the authentic fellowship found in scripture where the elders are unpaid, and lead by example and word from among the sheep (not ruling over them like mini popes). Coercing others into membership to such man made religious institutions is wrong and a lie. It is completely different than encouraging saints to find others to meet with regularly on level ground as brothers and sisters.

    God pity this hireling, this website, and the reformed sheeple that go along with it, and who’s Christianity resembles pagan roman catholicism more than the New Testament.

    -Flee from Babylon

  21. amongtheforgotten says:

    Awesome comments on Kevin’s site Jim. I don’t suppose he himself has ever attempted to answer your critiques has he? So much for being accountable- I guess that only applies in one direction- from the top down!

    • Mike Gantt says:

      As I say above, I’m with you against Kevin’s view on church governance. However, I must say that Kevin’s recent book on homosexuality sounds quite good and helpful to believers in this time when votes are being counted for and against God’s ideas about marriage and its intimacies.

      • fleebabylon says:

        Mike – there are many truths taught from the reformed camp still, but when their leaders start writing books and blog posts to shame the sheep into bondage, conquer over the Lords heritage, and corrupt the simplicity of their faith it is a very serious matter.

        There is a saying that ‘nothing unifies like a common enemy’ but the true believer is unified with other brethren in the Gospel (not fighting abortion and homosexuality) ! Like I said in my comments, I would rejoice to see him repent of his nicolatian shenanigans that defile his ministry and would be more interested in what else he has to say then.

        God bless-Jim

    • fleebabylon says:

      Micheal, good to hear from you. No replies from him but this has lead me to start thinking about starting to preach outside of some pastors conferences. I am not sure if it is of the Lord yet.

      Hope you are well,

      in Christ -Jim

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